Various people on various forums contributed to this discussion.
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From:
http://personalliberty.com/are-we-witnessing-another-collapse-of-the-party-system/#comment-2202046043
The divisive, interest-conflicting and loyalty-dividing political party system is already technically illegal!
<b>THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO FIX DEMOCRACY:</b>
Government, (best conceived by Einstein as the largest collectively-owned insurance company) is a great idea if and when it doesn't compete with (much less pre-empt) private enterprise; it's OK for the government to buy food to feed the poor, but not to demand that only it is qualified to regulate food growing everywhere, much less to restrict and deny private individuals from growing or stockpiling their own food. Same goes for defending every other need: government can defend the country, but not restrict the citizens' rights to also own and bear their own arms to defend them selves; government can and should enhance private defense, but never replace it!
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."
- John Adams, October 2, 1789 -
Government is only a custodial, janitor-like job, it's not rocket surgery (pun intended)!
It's supposed to be the largest, collectively-owned insurance company, to defend our collective needs, not to cater to private wants! We hire ("elect") these servants to maintain and enhance the infrastructure we need to survive & thrive - you know, to enable what the Americans call "Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness!"
Simple things, like roads, basic food delivery and shelter, electricity (in cold cold Canada) basic healthcare and education, without which we'd feel pain, fall behind, and die. NEEDS, not wants (like the endlessly divisive victimology-selling group identity idol parasite salesmen we currently suffer from)!
But right now, the people only elect the political parties, whose members elect their leaders. This is like a company's owners hiring a pool of workers, only to have said workers' pool dictate to the owners which of their members THEY had decided would be president, financial comptroller, etc! Total deferential outsourcing.
Right now, we keep hiring self-promoting "progressive" salesmen to rule over us!
They assume there's no money in solutions, (and its corollary: "It's not broken, so let's fix it!") and so can always be counted on to spin temporary problems with easy, permanent solutions into eternal crises with only band-aid therapies available, in order to buy us low and sell themselves most high as much-needed crisis relief management experts! i.e: "Please Give Generously - AGAIN! Whee!"
Government is either the People's Servant, and so does not attack them first, or it is their Master, a status achieved BY attacking them first, slanderously reversing the onus of proof.
These days, most if not ALL elected politicians are statists who always want to grow government to reward followers, who are more concerned with the 'rights' of their own groups (parties) than with any of their constituents, because if the other members of their party cause it to fall, they fall too.
Similarly, they will therefore also protect their own political CLASS - members of BOTH parties - lest they all fall as one, too.
The reason corporazi globalist traitors can puppetize the politicians is because the divisive interest-conflicted political party gangs exist at all. If there were NO funds allowed, no campaigning, but only platforms posted on free websites, and where the people could DIRECTLY appoint the elected politicians to their cabinet positions, the power of corporate money to influence elections would be reduced to near-zero.
Each politician would then be beholden ONLY to the people who elected them, not to group-rights loyalty conflicts.
Defense is the only responsibility government has, in exchange for the right to collect the taxes to pay for it.
It's the idolatrous political "party" system itself which permits our otherwise public SERVANTS to indulge them selves in interest-conflicted divided loyalties, and so to metaphorically slip from the tethers of oversite we should be keeping them on.
Unless we eliminate political parties, the salesmen in government will destroy the country.
Politicians don't represent the people - they only represent their parties. And their parties only represent those who pay them - who happen to be the exact same people for each party.
Your government isn’t your government; they are paid for and owned sales-puppets of the globalist hegemony of oil-banksters, who are them selves hand-in-glove with the Saudomites in order to maintain low oil prices.
See, if and when the Saudomites want, they could triple the costs of their oil, or undercut the West by lowering it to almost nothing – since oil is free in the ground, and, being under pressure, even extracts itself, it can be and always will be able to be used as an economic lever to manipulate ALL other markets: since pretty-much everything, including paper, is made from oil, oil is pretty-much a need these days.
And the price of a need is not subject to the usual supply-and-demand restraints and restrictions imposable on commodities – whenever the supply of a need drops, &/or the price increases, people simply CANNOT ignore it!
This extortionability is the simple economic basis for islam’s ascent.
Back in the 1970s, during OPEC's induced so-called "Energy Crisis," where the muslims briefly demonstrated their power by holding the economies of the West hostage by dramatically raising the oil prices, I have no doubt a secret deal was struck for guaranteed low-oil-price "stability" in exchange for unlimited Arab immigration. The various globalist oil-bankster corporate leaders who really rule us all also saw this as a bonus to their plans.
Immigration dilutes our standard of living, and the only reason it’s pushed on us “by government” is because of the corporazi salesmen who only want to reduce our wages to increase their own profits at our direct expense! They have bribed “our government” politicians (their own pet sales-puppets) to enable the destruction of our countries and way of life to finance their greed.
This is why the current illegal "immigrant" 'AMNESTY' even exists!
Their enemedia says it’s all for our own good!
Free markets, where everyone is allowed to own anything or everything, can be problems when one company can buy all the "vertical interation" (i.e: end up owning every sort of company needed for the complete production process of whatever they are selling) from top to bottom. Once that happens, they can simply ignore profits for each of their lesser stage companies, keeping those industries depressed for at-cost/ non-profit to them selves, and so make the price of their end product as cheap as it can possibly be, at which point, no one can compete with them, and they have achieved their monopoly at EACH and every lesser stage, too, while eliminating their competition at ALL those stages.
"Government" corruption, which enables them to do this, is part of the corporate competition process: the corporazis bribe their government sales-puppet "politicians," not the other way around. In fact, most capitalists would scream that government shouldn't be allowed to infringe on the corporations' rights to own any and every thing they want to. The end result will always be only ONE gang ends up owning everything ... including the government, at which point capitalism has seemingly "magically," yet predictably and inevitably, transformed itself into a state of single-owner communism.
And today we are living in the end-stages of this process, where the corporazis, because they are ONLY committed to the supply-and-demand of reducing costs and increasing profits by any and all means, hate paying taxes to any one any where ever, and so are hell-bent on destroying all sovereign nation countries and their governments and citizens by downsizing and outsourcing all our jobs to their 3rd-world slave-pens with their globalization treason scheme: no jobs here = no taxes here = no government here = no countries here! And of course, by promising to import ALL the lesser-expectations savage barbarians as wage slaves from those same 3rd world slave pens to here, they are all supported by the international communazis, and tribal moslems, who want free movement, wage parity and "equality" for those lowest-common denominator slaves as well. The moslems have been promised their one-world moslem ummah ruled by their caliphate government, as is obvious from all "our blunders" enabling their 'Arab Spring.' They will be used to keep us scared and subdued, Submissively shamed as racists & in line until it's all over for us. The takers will finally outnumber the makers.
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So ALL politicians are only treasonous sales-puppets, foisted on us by their corporazi sales-masters. Their real job is to sell us all out by selling off our country to the highest bidders - usually by buying our enemies' money to fund their own pet projects. The faster the turnover (more sales per minute) the more quick profits, even at low-low fire-sales prices. It's a race to the bottom.
There's a simple solution to all this: simply make it illegal to fund political parties' ad campaigns. After all, it's supposedly already illegal to bribe or otherwise influence any politician with money - which is exactly what these loyalty-dividing, interest-conflicting parties them selves do, isn't it? We've got the Internet - each candidate applicant can simply put their platform proposals up online, for free - so why do they need ad money? Who needs debates? Debates only let the most gliberal salesmen talk over each other for heckling points! Just get them to comment on each others' platforms on their (government-owned-and-monitored) websites. That would force them to co-operate and put it all down in writing, too!
Imagine if, as the company's (i.e: country's) owners, we hired a
workers' pool of candidates, and THEY suddenly got to declare which of
them would be CEO, CFO/comptroller, etc, not even based on any
credentials, merit or academic qualifications, but only on cult of
personality. <b>Oh, wait - that's exactly what we've got NOW!</b>
So let's just FIX DEMOCRACY! And here's how: If we just hold 2 quick, back-to-back elections each time (the first, as usual, to hire the worker's pool of our Public SERVANTS from our districts, and the second where WE ALL appoint them DIRECTLY to their cabinet portfolio positions) then we eliminate their self-interested conflicts of loyalty-dividing political "parties," (which always only "party" at our direct expense, anyway,) forever!
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GEORGE WASHINGTON WARNED ABOUT THESE PARASITES:
http://youtu.be/QlHVHNn3TBg
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/the-founding-fathers-tried-to-warn-us-about-the-threat-from-a-two-party-system.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2068315/posts
http://politicalpartypooper.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/washington-warned-against-political-parties/
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/history-purpose/2012/mar/9/george-washington-warns-against-political-parties/
http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/zr05z/til_george_washington_warned_that_forming
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From:
http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/trump-storms-washington-to-stop-iran-nuke-deal/#comment-2243402002
Duane L Petersen
There needs to be a definition in the constitution of treaty and all the other terms that the Supreme court tries to redefine along with the rest of this post.
There needs to be a modern Committees of Correspondence in every state to put together the paper work and the legislatures that will push the call to bring about the convention. Incase there is someone out there that doesn't know what the Committees of Correspondence were what brought about the revolution in 1776. But we can do it without any bloodshed or violence but it is going to take a team effort to get the congress to call the convention.
There is one sure way to stop this totalitarian usurpation of power and that is to call for an article 5 convention and have this amendment be one of the first to be ratified.
There is one amendment that would stop this in it's tracks and that would only be passed in a Article V convention as the congress does not have the intestinal fortitude to enact it. That amendment would give the states the power to impeach any federal elected, appointed, or hired person with 60% of the states voting to impeach this would include the Supreme Court Justices and all other federal judges. It would also give the states the power to repeal any law, court ruling including the Supreme Court, agency rule, within 3 years of ruling or passage and the states would have 15 years after passage of this amendment to repeal any law, ruling including the Supreme court decisions, or agency, ever passed. These can be enacted by the state legislatures or by referendum of 55% of the people or a combination of referenda and or legislatures of the different states or a 51% vote of the legislatures of 60% of the total states.
The only problem with this is that state legislators would almost have to become full time or the time restrictions would have to be longer.
The next amendment would be a term limit amendment that would restrict the House to 12 years and the Senate to 12 years or a combination of the 2 to18 years and would restrict the employment of any former congressperson for 12 years from having any contact with the new congress through any means or any intermediary except if running for president. This would also outlaw the unionization of any governmental employee that is also in the civil service as they do not need dual representation.
These excongress people would not be eligible to work in any agency or department of the government for life.
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From:
http://personalliberty.com/are-we-witnessing-another-collapse-of-the-party-system/#comment-2208554319
Daniel F. Melton -> paendragon
If you want an honest government:
1) Select Representatives by means of a draft lottery, qualifications for inclusion to the pool of prospective draftees to be determined by each state.
2) Increase the size of the House of Representatives for better representation of the people.
3) Repeal the 17th Amendment. Give the selection of Senators back to the state legislatures, with the addition of term limits and the right of recall by the state Governor, the state legislature, and plebiscite.
4) Voter ID!
5) "Double entry" voting for verification of vote totals.
6) Remove the pay and benefits of federal legislators and staff from the federal domain. The state sending these people to Congress should be paying 'em.
7) No 'retirement pay' or special benefits for federal or state legislators or bureaucrats at any level.
8) All laws apply to legislators and bureaucrats as well as citizens.
9) All judges serve a fixed term and then have to completely avoid the "legal" profession for ten years.
10) Former judges, bureaucrats, or legislators are forbidden from lobbying any branch or agency of government. A felony punishable by a fixed fine of at least $1 million and a jail term not less than 10 years for both parties involved.
(11) All proposed laws must be verified as Constitutional by a Grand Jury before the President's signature or veto over ride.
(12) No "federal employee unions"
(13) All laws and regulations must be subject to a sunset review by a panel of citizens.
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Nice! Now, to perfect a Constitution:
THOU SHALT NOT SELL THE COUNTRY!
You are hired as public servants, as custodians to defend and enhance the infrastructure, not to profit from any of it!
1.) Never attack the citizens first; only counter-attack second those citizens who have already attacked other, innocent citizens first.
2.) No debts! No loans (deferred sales)! Taxes may be temporarily raised by referenda.
3.) No bribing other levels of government for access to their separated or divided powers.
4.) No groups other than "The Public" shall exist in law!
No special interest "identifiable protected victim groups!"
5.) Judiciary to arrest those who try any of the above! They are also to arrest any other judicials who try to permit, justify, or enable same!
6.) There should be actual punishments listed to apply to those people who commit the crimes of breaking or attempting to break these rules, just as there is a listed penalty for treason - they should be non-negotiable.
Legislators should pass randomly-applied, written Constitutional law tests - if they fail, they are fired.
Judiciary, like legislators, should be selected from the people, as with jury duty. NO MASOCHISTS ALLOWED!
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PS: There is no law against "hurt feelings"/not being "offended" by the often-painful TRUTH!
One is also entitled to one's own opinions and hopes, but not to one's own lies. A hope ("Faith;" "Belief") is only an opinion, and as such must be presented as one.
This obviously includes all those "I was born a man, but now I 'believe' I'm a woman!" sorts of nonsense.
Lying (including presenting one's fact-free, subjective opinion AS objective fact) is themost basic form of theft: It's the - at least, attempted - theft of the Truth. Since all crimes are forms of theft, lying ("fraud") is a crime.
Oh, and of course businesses - like the individual citizens they really are - can always reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, at least prior to signing a contract. While I don't think business licenses should be required, nevertheless, opening any business does not automatically mean one is to be chained to a responsibility to serve anyone much less every one - hanging a sign only means, in legal parlance, an "offer to treat" (negotiate) not an obligation or duty to serve someone (as in Christian bakeries being forced to make gay wedding cakes, for the most recent instance)!
PS: The Executive shouldn't be allowed to over-ride the elected legislators - at most, your "not-king" should enjoy the job currently mis-managed by the House Speaker - as a referee who decides the bills' priorities.
He certainly shouldn't be allowed to govern by fiat of "Executive Orders" which end-run around the Legislature.
And the Judiciary should have a role in which they take the place of a Senate, and veto bad, (i.e: un-Constitutional) laws - striking them down, but not replacing them. It should be in their job descriptions!
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